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gresham flyer

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Does anyone know of the earliest surviving Renault R4.?

I have tried to Google up some info but no luck.

Even the Renault museum photos look like they only have a later model with the lift up tailgate.

Is there a register to inform anyone of a recent purchase not known to them. etc.

Cheers.
 
Lift up tailgate was normal thing from the start of the production of R4.
Here is one from internet 1963
http://www.allsportauto.com/1963-renault-4.php

One that you have found is special model and was named "Renault 4 Super" with tailgate that have sliding window and opens down
 
That is icing on the cake to find an early Renault 4 Super ( Special ).

Our car is a 1962 model.
 
According to the standard textbook, "Album Renault 4" by Robert Séjourné (I wonder if he is any relation of the man who built the famous Séjourné Viaduct on the Pyrenean Ligne Jaune?), the first versions of the R4 were introduced in August 1961. The first version was the 4L and this had a tailgate which hinged upwards, as on later vehicles.

The hinged-down tailgate, illustrated on page 43, seems to have been specific to the R4 Super (or Super Confort) which was introduced in March 1962 and discontinued on 24th September 1962 after 7216 had been built. It was given its own type number, R1122. Interestingly, although the engine was the same (747cc) as the other R4s the book states that it was beefed-up as regards horsepower, 32HP as opposed to 26.5 : apparently via bigger valve inlets (see p. 67).

The R1122 was replaced by the R1124 R4 Super, which had the 845cc engine. It also had the hinged-down tailgate. In December 1963 this tailgate was discontinued in favour of the "ordinary" pattern. In December 1964 the R1124 was discontinued although the "Super" name remained attached to some R1123 models.

So the way to date your vehicle is : if it is R1122, then 3/62 to 9/62. If R1124 then 9/62 to 12/63 given the tailgate pattern.

If you can get hold of copies of the first two R4 parts books, numbered PR 686 and PR 728, these illustrate everything relative to these two models in minute detail. Copies turn up online occasionally. You want the ones marked "Dernière Edition" if possible.

As regards the earliest surviving R4s, I have seen a few mentions of surviving R3 R1121 (which was an R4 with a 608cc engine) which produced from October 1961 to September 1962 and of which only 2526 were built. There is certainly at least one RHD R4 in this country with a six-figure number plate but this only means it was before 1/1/1965. If yours is R1122 and has a low serial number (nearer 1 than 7216) then it dates from nearer March 1962 and thus must be one of the first six months' production of R4s.

The ISBN-10 for the Séjourné book is 2-85120-482-3. It contains much useful information and illustrations.
 
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Our Renault 4 Super was registered on 06-12-1962.

It is a type R1124.


The chassis number ends in 6752.

So it looks like the one I found in the barn in the Dordogne just over a week ago and is now in the UK, is probably one of the earliest over here at the moment.
 
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In the last five years - after 2011 and the 50th birthday of the R4 coincidentally or not - some few really early R4s (and R3s) have turned up, in France. I am talking about what we consider pre-production models, with the low fuel filler neck and smooth bonnet (without centre ridge). I think that at least two of them still have this bonnet.

I remamber that in the early '00s we knew of only five or so surviving R3s. Now the number must be close to 20. It's amazing how some cars were hidden for so many years...
 
Perhaps Gresham-Flyer could tell us how he actually managed to find this car. Was it via friends, chat in a bar, driving his own R4 through the right area at the right time, or what?

Any techniques which we could employ next time we are in France would be useful to know.

Also, where in the Dordogne? The photo backgrounds look like the sort of middle-of-nowhere where I used to go for holidays.
 
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