Info on R codes

[Martin Hall]

Hi
Does anyone know a good source of info on the codes on Renault 4 s
I have R1123 a R1126 and a R1128 I know they are all 4 cv engines but would like to know a bit more all 3 have different carbs distributors etc
Thanks
Martin

 

[malcolm]

Clementine's guide to Renault numbers:

R1120: The original Renault 4 saloon from the early '60s with the 4CV 747cc engine.

R1121: Renault 3 - like the Renault 4 but without all the luxury of windows, hubcaps or interior trim, and with a 3CV engine.

R1122: 1962 to 1963 - Much like the R1120, but the Super Renault 4 had a crazy bottom hinged tailgate.

R1123: The Renault 4L and TL with the 5CV 845cc engine.

R1124: From 1963 - A 5CV version of the Super with the R1123 engine.

R1125: Spanish built LC from '73? The spec seems close to the R1123.

R1126: The French had them in the late '70s. Goodness knows what they are.

R1128: The GTL with 1108cc (goodness knows how many CV) engine.

I'd guess parts are reasonably interchangeable between cars of the same engine size, but not between different engine sizes.

 

[Simon.AU]

R1121 had a 603cc motor.

R1125 had a 852cc motor

R1126 had a 782cc motor.

Also the Super versions, apart from having the useless drop down tailgate, they also had seats that looked like a plump settee rather than the skimpy looking hammock style seats.

 

[Martin Hall]

Thanks for the info
The R1126 seems to be the most common around here
On the french registration documents There are all classed as 4 CV engines even the 5 and the 3
I have found a good local source of ignition spares today and have ordered all new parts for both of my new R4`s The 1971 model uses a SEV dizzy which seems to be harder to get spares for The later ones use the same as early R5 parts duceller
Martin

 

[malcolm]

We've missed one. The R1129 TL. Was that the 950cc model available in France?

 

[Pieter]

Also the R112C. Replaced the R1123 etc, its the smaller capacity version of the 5 bearing engine 1983 onwards cars.

 

[jjad]

What about R2102 and R2104?

Just for completeness, what do the numbers R2102 and R2104 refer to?

Are there any other numbers used for 4s?

 

[angel]

To complete the list...:

R2102:747cc fourgonette 1962-63
R2104: 845cc fourgonette (early???)
R2105: 747cc fourgonette/break (1963-1971)
R2106: 845cc fourgonette (1963 onwards)
R2108 fourgonette with elevated roof and 852cc spanish built engine
R2109: 782cc fourgonette/break (1972 onwards)
R2370: fourgonette F6, 1108cc
R2391: 845cc break ("fourgon vitre"), to distinguish it from the R2106 after 1974.
R2392: 782cc break
R2430: F6 break, 1108cc.

The 956cc Savane/TL is coded 112C as Pieter says, the coding had already been changed to "112800", "210600" when it appeared. So what about this mystery 1129? I see it everywhere on parts books etc but cave never seen one! Could it have been the factory built GPL version of the 1108cc?

 

[hanz]

a small correction to the description of the R2108 given above:
R2108 is the ordinary Fourgonnette as built in Spain
R2108S is an R2108 with elevated roof (sobre-elevada or sûrélevée)
R2108SA is the R2108S with side windows (acristalada or vitrée)
all three have the 813-02 engine with 852cc

 

[David M]

Elevated roof

Does anybody have a photo of this beast?

Regards,
David

 

[hanz]

Elevated roof

here is one of an R2108SA from Barcelona. Note the R8-bumper and R8-indicator lights that were standard to R1125 and R2108.

Cheers, Hans

 

[David M]

Well well!

That is the roof-line of my fourgonette!

I thought that I had a unique cobbled together back-section. The story that I was told was that it had been a delivery van for a dry-cleaning company. There is one tubular hoop and the evidence of where another has been fitted - presumably the hanging rail support.

But there are differences as well.

Mine has full length side windows and orange indicators.
My bumpers are tubular, not blade like.
Mine also has the chrome grille.
My oval plate is; 2106
6803
I understand that mine is a 1968 build-running 12v electrics.

Hanz, would it be possible to post other pictures of this or a similar van from different angles? Interior would be good also!

That picture has made my day!

Thanks all - what a great forum!


David

 

[hanz]

To my knowledge, the indicators were orange in UK and Germany, white in other countries. Until this morning I thought that all spanish Furgonetas until 1979 were R2108, but I just received the 1969 PR785 FASA parts manual, which doesn't list them, but just R2104 and R1123. So, this also adds to Angels list somewhere above: R2104 is an early FASA Furgoneta (among others - I believe it was also produced in France as 5CV follow-up of the 3CV 2102) , preceding the R2108. Some more information about the peculiarities of spanish built R4 can be found on my website www.allez-y.info under FASA R1125. Tonight I will go through the parts manual to see if I can find out more about the 2104-2108 difference.

In the meantime, here are some more pictures that I stole from the dutch R4-club forum:

David, do you know where your Fourgonnette originally came from, Spain or France? As far as I know all elevated Fourgonnettes came from Spain (or Portugal), but I thought they weren't 2106.

 

[David M]

Place of manufacture

No I don't know for sure.

The diamond plate says Billancourt, Seine.
That may just be the contemporary address of the Renault HQ or it could be the place of manufacture.

Renault 4's were assembled at Heidelberg some 30kms from where I live, so I suspect that, logically it is "locally" made.

What surprises me is that for the 30 months or so since I have have belonged to this forum, today is the first mention of the "high roof van".

Thank-you Hanz for your knowledge and the ability to grab some more photos.
On closer study;

the high roof-line in your photo is different to mine! Go figure!

Imagine, if you will, that the roof (above the gutter line) is vertical for about 20-30cm, before it curves into the flat line of the roof. The rear door of mine has an extension that is riveted along the inner seam, but is invisible from the outside. The extra roof section is gusseted with braces which appear to be factory fabrications. I can't be precise at the moment because it is now dark at the ends of the earth.

Thanks again

David

 

[hanz]

David, these observations of your van ask for a photo to be submitted! By the way, this is the elevated F6 (which didn't exist until 1976):

Hans

 

[David M]

I knew it!

I guessed it would come to this.
OK, photo will be taken tomorrow.
When you get to see it depends on my journey with untried skills in an untravelled part of the forum!
David

 

[malcolm]

I'd love to see photos (see tutorial for posting photos)- I've never seen a F4 with such a big roof before.

 

[Simon.AU]

Mine has full length side windows and orange indicators.
My bumpers are tubular, not blade like.
Mine also has the chrome grille.
My oval plate is; 2106
6803
I understand that mine is a 1968 build-running 12v electrics.

That oval plate is consistent with the other Australian assembled R2106's I've seen. Assembled in the Heidelberg West factory, apparently they were fitted with 12V electrics for supply to the Australian PMG (Post Master General) who required 12 volts for their test equipment. However I've never actually seen an ex-PMG van which were originally painted red. All the Australian 12V R2106's I've seen were originally painted white.

The front bumper should be the flat blade type, with a painted rather than chrome finish. The rear bumper will be tubular. Also it sounds like the grill has been added on too. However I also await pictures of the high roof version. It sounds like it may be a custom job, as all the other R2106's I've seen have been the normal F4 breadloaf type roof with the roof flap.

 

[David M]

Pics?

Here goes! Thanks Malcolm.
1. The high roof, full length windows and "hoop"

2. The gussets

3. Rear door

Regards,
David

 

[FLASH2000]

f4 1986

this is mine built in spain, but have the 1123cc engine 34hp/cv