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Hello,
My 1108 engine is less keen to start when it's warm, I had a few short runs recently and it fired up beautifully from cold, but when warm it's less willing to start...
It's not too bad, but just seems counter intuitive. I need a new fuel filter, but doubt that's it, more likely carburettor? I've not played with adjusting the mixture before though so any top tips would be very much appreciated.
 
Hi there, it's just a little annoyance that the 1108cc engine seems to have. The heat from the exhaust manifold is carried over to the inlet manifold so causing some of the fuel to burn before it reaches the combustion space. Once the engine starts everything is fine and no amount of carburettor tweaking will cure it. You just have to live with it. Regards Brian.
 
Excellent, thanks Brian, that's put my mind at rest... I was wondering if It was something I should look into sooner than later but now I'll treat it as one less job to do!
Regards, Phil
 
The was an extensive discussion of this in a Thread entitled "Carburettor Overheating" in October 2010. My own problem was with an 845cc model, where the residual heat from the exhaust manifold was sufficient to boil off all the fuel in the carburettor and make it very difficult to start after standing when warm. From what you say it looks as if 1108cc models are prone to this as well.

It should be possible to improvise some sort of heat shielding round the carburettor (a thin sheet of steel would do). I used a couple of old Meccano Flexible Plates painted white and this has improved the problem, although not cured it completely. You're talking radiant heat here, and the white paint ensures that the heat shielding does not act as a black-body emitter. Domestic radiator paint (heat resistant) might be better still.
 
My other car has the same problem and the fix that they came up with was to put a bigger gasket between the carb and manifold to prevent it conducting heat so easily.
 
I tried that and it didn't work. The carb is attached to the inlet manifold which is generally fairly cool due to (a) the rush of cool inlet air and (b) the latent heat of evaporation of the petrol in the carb. Putting on a thicker (or doubled-up) gasket slightly reduces heat conduction but the latter is not great anyway.

The problem arises from radiant heat from the (hot) exhaust manifold being transmitted directly across the air gap from the manifold to the carb and heating it up. In my experience shielding the carb from this as described in my previous post was the only thing that worked (albeit only partially).

Normally this only happens when the car is standing, This is because when you're actually running the engine the carb is cooled by evaporation of the petrol from the main jet. When you stop, no flow of petrol - no evaporation - no cooling. In addition there are no cooling draughts within the engine compartment. The residual heat from the exhaust manifold and engine block radiates to the carb, heats it up and the rot sets in.

Either all the petrol boils off (in the case of my old 845cc with a small Zenith 281 carb) or possibly only some of it (in the case of your GTL). Curiously, my late-plate (1984/5) LHD 845cc does not suffer from the problem. Possibly this is because it has a huge Solex carb (factory standard) which takes more heat to get up to petrol boiling-off point than the smaller models.

As an 'Elf 'n Safety point, if petrol is evaporating from the carb, it must go somewhere. The implication is that there may be a fuel-air explosive mix within the engine compartment for a short time after the car is parked, until normal breezes blow it away. Moral : don't ever lift the bonnet with a fag in your mouth, particularly in the few minutes immediately after a run.
 
I have the same problem and never really worried too much but thinking about it an electric fuel pump might be the answer then.
 
Brian, you say all the 1108cc engines have this problem, but I've never noticed it. Felicia always starts on a quarter turn when hot.
Hi Tom, perhaps not all 1108cc engines suffer with this problem, I've just know of a few owners who have come across it. It is an annoying habit though that usually I cure with a wee bit of choke.
 
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