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Hy guys.
I have water getting in cabin.
Its rain water and appears to be coming from the plate in behind and just below the glove tray.
The pipe under the cabin is clear, the one behind the engine chain case.
The holes in the top corners of the wings are clear.
I blocked the vent up also completely with tape in the last downpour, not these.
What i think and want to know is...Should there be a plastic like stretcher bezel in the windscreen rubber....like the ones fitted to old minis etc. to take up the slack in the rubber surround. I feel it should have one and it hasnt. If so how do I locate one?
 
They all do that, Sir. Seriously though this is the second R4 I've owned and both leak. Yes the windscreen rubber should have a chrome infill. I have temporarily block the small hole on the drivers side to try to find the leak. I've also had a look using a torch for any holes in the bulkhead but it seems sound. The windscreen rubber seems sound enough as does the wiper rubbers. Still have to solve this problem.
 
Easiest model to check for leaks is the ones fitted with sun-roof,just place garden-hose into it and observe where water comes out when filled..:whistle:

Seriusly,for windscreen rubber use "seek & seal" (metal-bottle at any good car-shoppy) Comes with a thin spout to stick in-between glass and rubber-seal
Also good between rubber and body.
Shake well and squirt in as you go round all way round all windows as the thickish goo runs down I filled in 2 more times.Must be done wet-on-wet!
The stuff make the rubber swell and so creates Much better seal. Mine has kept dry ever since..
-What stuff seeps down and runs out below low-point of rubbers you remove after 2-3days with white-spirit..
In addition to this ther's a place or two known to be prone to leak: like the first half of the car ,and the rest of the car.... -Reid.
 
It rained last night and this morning so I went out to the car and yes, there was water both on the rubber mat and beneath it. With a torch I was able to see a tiny tiny trickle just behind the top of the dashboard, and coming from the windscreen rubber. Now I have some butyl windscreen sealant but the rubber is difficult to ease back. I wonder if I should remove the chrome infill strip as this would make easing it out easier? I'll wait for a warm, sunny day just to make sure that any moisture is no longer in there. So apply sealant to the glass/rubber and bodyshell/rubber then replace the chrome infill? Clean everything up with white spirit?
 
Well i've used seek and seal sucessfully many times in the past seems to have become extinct guess now we have mostly got bonded windscreens no demand
Creeping crack cure is going to be my suggestion
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How does it work?

As i have same problem! Water is somewhere entering in cabin and puddle is laying on side crossmember where first chassis/body bolt is. Eventually is getting to floor below rubber mat

I can not see where is entering. I believe it is not around window as i have tested it with hose before. I even removed glass and instrument panel, then put back glass then tested few times and after few days returned instrument panel . Could not find leek

My problem is also that i have insulated engine bay wall so can not trace leek.
And water is getting in at every rain

EDIT:
Just saw few youtube films.
SO, for the beginning i need to find crack where water is entering to be possible to close it with this product.
 
When I used seek and seal I ran it round the whole screen as it is really thin
The rubber will flex enough to let you do this easy
 
Yes Mr reno 139...i Just read their web and looked few youtube movies.

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Need to find where water is entering first then can use this to close it.
Finding crack will be hard (in my case)
 
No need to find where the water is entering, Petak, as Mr Reno says, just go around the entire windscreen rubber and let it do it's work. That's what I shall do. I have a large tube of butyl sealant but that video suggests Captain Tolley's might be superior.
 
Yes Paul, but i believe that my windscreen rubber is watertight as i have tested few times with hose at the beginning of the summer and there were no water leaking around rubber.
During that test water did not even entered cabin.
But after first rain at the end of summer i found water inside.

It looks like it need to "settle down" during time to get inside.
I am suspecting some bolt that is holding inner wing.
But will need to test all over again.
 
This morning I went out and decided I needed to do something about my car's leak. I knew water was coming in, albeit very slowly, about 4" in from the bottom corner of the screen on the drivers side. Levering back the rubber was almost impossible so I removed back the 'chrome' infill. This made pulling back the rubber much easier. I got hold of a tube of Screenseal, a black butyl material in a tube to be fitted into one of those squeeze-type dispensers. I decided I would only do the outside from half way down the sides of the screen and right along the bottom, and only on the glass-to-rubber side and not the rubber-to-steel side. If that fails at least I have eliminated one area. Squeezing the stuff behind the rubber was pretty easy and then I edged the infill back in place using a small screwdriver. I do have the correct tool for this job somewhere. Some butyl oozed out and took a while to clean up with White Spirit, so I am leaving the passenger side to partially harden and then I can cut the excess away using a razor blade. I won't test the repair but will wait for the next rainfall, which according to the weather forecast may be on Saturday.

Petak, Why not removed the rubber mat then clean up any moisture on the floor. Cover everything including the shelves with blotting paper and after rain this should show clearly where the water's coming in. Mine was coming in in at least two places. Windscreen rubber and a narrow horizontal rusty slit below the radio/cassette.
 
Well unfortunately my decision to apply the ScreenSeal just along the bottom of the windscreen rubber between it and the glass failed to work. A small puddle again in the morning after a shower. Plan B. Remove the 'chrome' infill completely then apply the ScreenSeal around the entire rubber. And, because I found a fair bit of rainwater in the infill slot, another bead went in there after wiping it dry. If that doesn't cure it, Plan C is to apply the stuff between rubber and bodywork.
 
I should go straight to plan C. Normally you fit the windscreen dry, insert the chrome trim, then apply screenseal all the way around the screen where it meets the body. It should be possible to get the nozzle in and move it around the screen without removing the chrome trim. A windscreen fitter should be able to do it for hardly any money at all if you get stuck.

I would avoid glues/ silicone/ PU - people have forgotten how to fit proper windscreens and the proper sealant is hard to find. The screenseal butyl style stuff that never sets sounds like the right stuff.
 
I wrongly assumed you were putting sealer between body and rubber seal so plan c gets my vote but it would of been my plan a☺
 
Ahem - yes agreed with above but leak could be otherwise.

There are screws that screw the dashboard on on the glove box area from the underside. All the screws passing through the bulkhead should have butyl stuffed over the hole first then the screw is passed through it. Check leaks are not emanating from the dashboard and other fixing points
 
I'm sure the leak will agree.

I need to do the same for my van, and the stretch of hot dry weather makes this the perfect time. Can someone remind me on Saturday.
 
Ha ha - yes no play on R4's it'll be time to get the canoes out
 
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I am about to replace chrome strip on both front and rear screens as previous owner hand painted chrome white and doesn't look good,will doing that cause me problems with disturbing rubber window seal and cause possible leaks
 
Well I'm back from our New England holiday and curious to see how successful my attempts at sealing the windscreen has been. Oops, a small puddle on the rubber mat and 1/4 pint of water in the glove 'shelf'. There's no way I can get the nozzle of the sealer between rubber and bodywork, perhaps the aged rubber is just to stiff and won't peal back sufficient, so I have now bought a tube of the famed Captain Tolley's Creeping Crack Cure so onto Plan C. I will NOT allow this to beat me.
 
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