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Fuel Injection Fault Problem

just because they change the part number doesn't mean it's been redesigned - often it can be a change of supplier but to the original design. We are changing a few of these FPR on the IDE engine, or at least we would if they weren't on back order.
 
M1key

My fuel pressure regulator has gone 3 times this year the bloke at toomey told me its a prob with the IDE engine, they will not fix it because they are not being made anymore .

Now im really p--t off , i got offerd £500 for the car a loss of £2500 every 1 knows about the prob so i cant even sell the bloody thing:mad:
 
I have a 2001 Laguna II. It is currently in at the Renault dealer to have it's 8th fuel pressure regulator in two years. Yes 8th!!!!

To be fair to Renault they have been very nice and given me a courtesy car because the part is currently not available in Europe and they are doing it under warranty but this part has now been done by three different Renault dealers and frankly they haven't got a clue as to what is causing it.

The car is very comfortable and has only done 53,000 miles and I really don't want to get rid of it but I need a reliable car!! I also feel bad about the idea of selling it on to someone else knowing that they are going to have the same problem!
 
Hi all just joined I have just bought a laguna with the IDE fuel pressure problem. I have been a electronic control engineer for 40 years and have set to work on this problem. It is quite obvious that the Regulator (which is basically a solenoid with needle valve) is over heating and as it sits on top of the engine this is almost inevitable. (really bad design). I have tried attaching a heat sink(of aluminum) around the solenoid and attached a small fan 12volt on top. the results were encouraging. The car ran on tick over for about 10 mins after a 12 mile run before it went. Before it had only ran for about 5 mins from cold before it went. this is of cause on a knackered regulator. This may therefore stop a new one becoming knackered. Solenoid are after all only a coil of wire wrapped in a plastic former with the rotor sliding in the middle when they overheat again and again the former distorts and the rotor becomes jammed. I will continue to experiment. Where do Renault get a cost of over £230 for such a simple device Shame on them for taking the P*ss
 
same old problem...

Hi all,

I know this is an old thread but there still are some IDE's on the road...

I am the new:confused: (unlucky) owner of a 2001 2.0 IDE with a "Fault in Fuel Injection System" warning. There are no other lights like MIL engine light on, no stored fault codes, no faults on the steering wheel diagnostic check, just the Fault in Fuel Injection amber warning.

I have some service history and last year it had new FPR (Renault invoice wording):

"...Found fault with fuel pressure regulator and fuel pressure sensor. Replace and retest all ok. Engine cover removed and left off recommended by Renault."

I haven't paid much for this car and I've driven it about 20-30 miles today in limp mode (revs limited at 3000 RPM??) is it worth going to renault or do I just put it on ebay and recoup some money for it?

Can you drive it around in fault mode? At what point does it fail completely?

I'm planning removing the FPR this weekend and cleaning in carb cleaner as suggested on the forums and putting some fuel additive in. Not sure I want to spend any money on this as it sounds like I will end up throwing money at it, without ever fixing it.


Thanks for any help.

Paul
 
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Laguna 2 fuel pressure regulator

I have a laguna 2 2L dynamique with this pesky IDE engine on an 02 plate 59000 miles on the clock had it for 10 months now,and its got the dredded fuel injector fault.

Its been in my local garage for 2 weeks as they cant get the part,called renault today who say both the fuel sensor and the regulator have to be changed even though they know about the problem, but they cant order the sensor until they see the car and put in a request to renault.

Cost of regulator (part No 226706542R changed from 8201096984)
£200 +vat=£240

Cost of sensor
£189 +vat

I have already got a bill of £260 for new injector and injector seals

then theres the labour cost and getting the thing to them in limp mode if I`m lucky.time to give up sell it on even for scrap,nice car but no point if it dont go.Dont buy a renault I think is the moral of the story.If its their fault they should have fixed it at their expense
 
dreadful engine im afraid...well the electronics that run it are anyway...i specialise in Renaults and have done for over 25 years...There are certain models which can be a pain...Espace..full stop...Megane and scenic2..electrics...Vel satis...electrics and overheating on the 3.0dci..Clio 1.5 dci..fuel pump problems..other than that the rest of the range are great...anyway..why specialise on something reliable.
open to comments on this post

good luck with the IDE anyway
 
Theory

I had the same theory about this part overheating and have thought of using a computer 12 volt fan with a heatsink from a computer processor with a cold airfeed (for an induction kit) fitted to the vehicle, however I believe the problem seems to arise when sat in traffic, this is when the engine gets so hot it causes the regulator to overheat and eventually fail. I am no mechanic by far but was thinking is there any way of redirecting the air con output onto the regulator?? My lovely Megane convertiable with 70K is getting scrapped next week if I cant resolve the issue cause I have spent a fortune and to further add misery my ECU has now gone too... but thats another story.
 
Gorgeous IDE

Oh and it has now been scrapped... wasnt a mark on it, branch new tyres and brakes, full leather interior, non leaking full working electric folding roof.... yeah good old Renault.... will never buy another one ever again! Reanult can Foxtrot Oscar!!!! Now a happy Citroen owner... guess what... it dont cut out parts are readily available and I can get to work without worry.....and I have been driving 8 weeks without trouble...... shame I couldnt say that with my megane!!!
 
Desprately trying to fix my laguna. Help and advise needed PLEASE!
(2002, 51 plate, Mark 2, 2 LTR IDE 16V Petrol Laguna)
History: April 08 - in traffic car cut-out 'fuel injection fault' light came on. Wouldn't re-start. AA came out 45mins later. Car started and got home without cutting out again. Took to Renault they told me senors needed. Had replaced. OK for 4 weeks. Began to cut-out again whilst in traffic. Wouldn't start. Left to half hour then car started and got home. Car then kept cutting out but re-starting again so regularly I took back to Renault. (Fuel injection fault and ESP lights coming on). They told me high pressure fuel pump needed and maybe spark plugs interfering with perimeters. Had genuine fuel pump fitted by mechanic friend. Still same problem, not the fuel pump. Changing spark plugs and cleaning injectors tomorrow. Any suggestions????

i hav the same prob do u no why
 
Another IDE problem

Hi guys,

Having problems with my car again, Megane Coupe 2.0 IDE. First time, luckily, I only had to replace the O2 sensor and clean the EGR valve. It ran very well after that but now I'm stuck with another problem. Not sure if it's related to the previous posts, but I had a few holes in my exhaust which I though was the problem, the idle was lumpy and it didn't start well. Had that fixed, no problem, but it seems to have gotten worse.

Firstly, the car will barely start, most of the time I have to jump it and when it starts, it will idle at between 2 000 and 3 000 RPM and makes a lot of smoke (luckily not black) but it smells rich. The car will, after a minute or so, idle lower but will also cut out. Now, I don't get any fault lights on my dash like I did with the O2 sensor/EGR.

Do you guys think it's the Fuel pressure regulator or, as the Renault dealer suggested, the injectors? They did mention injectors can be blown by welding on the exhaust system but they used the flame and stick method (sorry, I don't know welding).

OK, so it's at the garage and without a fault on the ECU, they can't be sure what to replace. They want to replace the injectors but I mentioned the FPR to them. It costs about £430 for the FPR (ZAR 5500 for me.)

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
red
 
I have CURED the Problem as i said before the solenoid is ceasing after it gets hot several times.(see post 14-08-11, 10:50 PM.) SO you have a dead fuel pressure regulator and Renaults want £250 plus for a new one when they can get them.
The answer SPLIT THE REGULATOR AND MAKE THE MOVING PARTS LESS TIGHT. (REDUCE THE DIAMETER OF THE VALVE) the unit you have is useless so if you mess it up you have lost nothing so you split the regulator and reduce the diameter of the moving parts with fine sandpaper. I have done this and a unit (that was only 5 months old and had covered 3000 mile) started to play up and from cold produced the fault after less that 3 minutes. After doing the ‘modification’ the car has been running for several weeks and the valve has no cooling, It is quite a simple procedure, basically you carefully put two drill holes opposite each other at 90 degrees from the mount holes. You can then prise open the unit removing the moving parts gently rotate the moving parts in a very fine wet & dry paper to reduce he diameter reassemble and replace the part on the car. Bingo. I am trying to produce a full picture illustrated instruction for this procedure if anyone is interested e-mail kengarrad@talk21.com This does work, how long? Time will tell but once done it is easy to redo again.
 
Modifying Regulator

Hi nekdarrag
Just read your post re splitting the regulator and modding the internals. I have tried to contact you via your e-mail address but all e-mails were returned saying no such address. Anyway I would be very interested in trying your mods, would it be possible for you to e-mail me @ jan-johnmarsh@sky.com
 
I Have pictures if you would like to try this e-mail me ken@kengarrad.plus.com

In the above there is a complete assembled unit and an exploded one of the parts (after dismantling)

The regulator valve is located just behind the oil filler cap and is retained by two torx screws.
Procedure make sure the car engine is cold, remove the wire plug from top. TAKE CARE PETROL WILL SPIRT OUT with next step. With the torx tool undo the two screws one turn each side repeat this 4-5 time or until the valve can be lifted to release the petrol pressure TAKE CARE. You may have to wiggle and pull the valve. Then take off the unit completely.
Drilling the hole is best done on a bench drill if available as it is a fairly delicate operation. If not you should gently ( a couple of small taps as opposed to a hefty one)centre punch a pop mark to stop the drill slipping. Place the valve in a Vice horizontally with the two fixing flanges pointing vertically up and down the end of the vice do not grip too tightly as not to squash the unit maybe use some cloth to help. You now SLOWLY drill a small hole in the pop marked place ie at about 90degrees to the holes in the two flanges. The pen tip in picture show position. It should be about 4mm from the edge using a 3to 4mm drill.
Hole position at pen tip, one hole on opposite side of flange as well.
You have to drill through the outer case about 1mm until you just get through and see the join between the black plastic coil holder and the mount flange so check every few revs of drill. Drill another hole on the other side of the solenoid case at a similar position. Now carefully, with a junior hack saw, cut out the remaining part between the hole and the case edge keeping the blade as parallel as possible to the length of the valve (without cutting into the rest of the case)so that you have a slot as in the picture below. THE hard bit is done


Note and mark with marker pen the position of the mount flange in the case. Carefully insert a small screwdriver in the slot between the black plastic and the mount flange and prize out the innards of the valve by first one side and then the other or better by using one driver each side at the same time pushing the driver heads towards the back of the valve (see pic). Be patient and don’t use excusive force.

Once the flange has moved continue until the innards come out. At this stage turn the mount flange until the end that was inside is pointing to the ground, if the valve doesn’t fallout it is jammed and you may need to tap it on a softish surface to extract it. This is in fact the trouble that tightness is enough to stop it working. If it doesn’t come out use a pin to gently push it out from the other end. Once remove take the solenoid first, hold it by the plastic guide between your thumb and fore finger so that you can rotate it ,wrap a small piece of 100 grade wet & dry paper around the solenoid and rotate it in the paper. This part is hard and may take a couple minutes of rubbing to make the difference needed. DO NOT OVER do it remember you only have to reduce the diameters by part of a thousandth of an inch also rub the recessed end of the metal solenoid. The hard bit has been done the unit can now quite easily be removed again and more taken off if it fails to cure the problem. Use the same technique to do the plastic guide about 20-30 seconds and the fat part of the valve again 30 seconds do not rub the thin part just make sure it is clean. You now have to make sure that all parts are cleaned to remove any filings by cleaning in fresh petrol, do not skimp this be meticulous use a syringe to squirt the hole through the solenoid or agitate vigorously in the petrol.
Examine the components making sure there are no burrs on the flange made by the drill or saw. If any protrusions gentle file them flat, indentations do not matter. Check the rubber O ring for cuts or splits or just replace if available. Make sure that the valve and solenoid move very freely within the mount flange, the valve should fall straight out when upended. If not sand paper a little more, clean then try again. Assemble the innards together as in top picture and hold up right so they stay in position. Moisten the innards with petrol to assist insertion to the O ring in the unit. Align the marks made on the two parts and lower the case onto the innards and press together using a little twist to insert the O ring, re-align and press together as far at you can with your fingers. You can now protecting the ends with paper place in a vice and press together so that they don’t fall apart no need to press all of the way as this will be done when it is tightened to the engine Now insert the assemble unit back in the engine (lubricate with petrol, align and press with a gently twist and wiggle to make sure the O rings are not damaged when inserting. Once the O- rings are in, press the unit fully home. Insert the screws and tighten both 1 turn at a time so that the unit is pulled together evenly and completely. Replace plug. Turn on ignition and check for leaks if none start engine and quickly again search for leaks continue to check for a minute or so. If any leaks found probably an O ring is damaged and will need to be replace. If so allow engine to stand and cool before removing again.

The car should now be OK if the problem reoccurs the same procedure can be re-done but of cause it will now be a much simpler operation No drilling ect.
 
I have had over 40 requests now for the above mod to the pressure regulator with about half replying saying it was succsesful I have not heard from some so I cannot say exactly how succesful it has been, But my laguna IDE is still running on the Knackered regulator that I repaired that about 8 months now. with No trouble at all.
 
@ nekdarrag ... i wrote on your e-mails addresses but i have no answer until now ... please send me your pictures on e-mail address todeamihai37@yahoo.com
 
@ nekdarrag ... Thanks! ... i just received them ... i will let you know if your method will work for me also ...
 
fuel regulator pressure 2.0 IDE

hello nekdarrag!!,I him have sent several post office to the different directions that you have put and have not received any response. It was necessary that you were sending the photos and the procedure to dismantle the regulator and to dismantle it to clean it, I am very interested in proving his advance. My direction is: gontacoupe@gmail.com.I wait for his response and thanks!!
 
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